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blabla: ha ha ha
xgz: or sides, makes nice fisheye images
xgz: can convolve it with the signs
rebekka: i try to find a way to project on a gratin shape
xgz: and make it evolutionary in time (64 steps on relative time)
lauredeselys: what's the cooking glass?
illFiger: but from what i read online about this experiment is that it does not work perpetually
xgz: and alife style convolve it further in 3D
xgz: euh cooking glass = vacuum glass and when you touch it starts to cook says eric
lauredeselys: ah
xgz: so why not put controllable heat inductive light on it
blabla: explain yourself
illFiger: ok, hold on
illFiger: i need to explain here what you are telling
blabla: dus een warmtelamp
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blabla: hi ptr
xgz: nina is not here?
ptr_: heya
xgz: ptr
illFiger: hey pieter
blabla: sorry-- stopped stream for a sec to set recording but it gives an error
xgz: camera went out
blabla: cannot stream and record : (
illFiger: are you following our stream
xgz: reconnecting
xgz: sure
rebekka: i think the glass should be concentrated on one post,connect the others by wires
xgz: the greatest thing is to see people chat in silence
xgz: give a burp once in a while then I know the stream streams in hihi
xgz: hey staying online for half an hour so what is the program?
blabla: so we are thinking of a different setup in space
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
blabla: the SE30's in the back room
xgz: 2. how to plan the coming weeks who is doing what
xgz: 3. how to build up in real and virtually
blabla: and the transmutation installation integrated in the big room where discussions are going on
blabla: and the TICS remains
xgz: 4. who is boosting the okno pages online with the progress
blabla: yes, let's get structured
rebekka: also dusans interview room is in main space next to the stairs
xgz: 5. summary like in an hour?
xgz: who is here keeping track?
blabla: we try to do it, but bad start: no records of this stream
xgz: hey let's get structured - I am very very simple as an automaton
xgz: and so are you
xgz: complexity can only emerge from noise
xgz: so ...
illFiger: can yo setup skype or a stream
blabla: hmmm --- do you have a stream setup?
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
illFiger: guess talkong would be easier
xgz: never
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
xgz: 1. how to do the installation
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xgz: glas in or out?
xgz: glas in or out?
blabla: well, maybe 1 big bowl if we can find one?
xgz: glas in or out?
rebekka: in or out??
xgz: but does the system vacuum boil etc work?
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xgz: now I understand why cameras break out there??
blabla: hi nini!
xgz: nina!
czegledy: Hi Guy
lauredeselys: hello nina
rebekka: hello
xgz: don't slam the mike when people are listening to the stream @okno please
czegledy: Erik is also here with me
xgz: which eric?
blabla: gert is doing a test with sparkling water
xgz: there seems to be an eric everywhere
czegledy: sorry I meant Erika Pasztor
xgz: hihi
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blabla: hi erika!
blabla: did you manage to change your flight?
blabla: or do i have to look after it?
czegledy: Erika says not yet
blabla: give me the exact dates pls
blabla: for your return
blabla: how much computers do we need if we work only with computers?
czegledy: Erika is hoping you can change her return for the 27th
xgz: interesting image for the moment
blabla: we can check if stijn slabbinck has enough minimacs
blabla: who will be really active participant in this installation?
blabla: and how do you see your participation?
xgz: water, boiling
czegledy: excuse me but can you provide a little explnation
okneric: what about those "smelling" sensors
xgz: vacuum glass + camera - data used for feeding algorithms
xgz: working over the last days at the convolve, genetic simulations, alife patches
blabla: ok. so we need a bowl, a camera, computers
blabla: do we work with flatscreens or projection?
xgz: can someone describe what laure is saying, hard to understand from here
blabla: important is that the installation is in contineous mutation
xgz: yes that is why I am working on this digital feedback system
xgz: yes and put laure into the camera view then I can do lip--reading hihi
xgz: with 20 seconds delay of course
xgz: good let's summarize
xgz: hey write someone what is being said in the chat damn
gen_lee: i will
xgz: good
gen_lee: just one sec
xgz: 20 secs of delay hihi
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strihaj__: hello, anybody here?
blabla: hello stri, who are you?
xgz: who is stri
xgz: haj
xgz: ?
blabla: ??
strihaj__: strihaj is sabotor ana, who doesnt know to set her nick: ]
blabla: hey ana!
strihaj__: and who is blabla?
blabla: are you coming to brussels?
blabla: blabla is always a friend
strihaj__: id liek to , but we will see how things go....
strihaj__: so is "lol"
xgz: hey gert - I can accomodate for any input afterwards: graphix, cams or movement
xgz: look at it like an object you make: virtual or real
xgz: but with input and output possibilities
czegledy: Hi, I am waiting here in Budapest for a little
czegledy: (but comprehensive) update
xgz: I cn mutate symbols into other ones, on symbolic or integer or float level hihi
xgz: I can make timers out of boilers
xgz: I can make boilers out of symbols
xgz: I can make gold out of god
xgz: I can hide it all in the woods
blabla: when will you be here in brussels?
strihaj__: we have a poet here: ]
xgz: and let it grow plants with lindenmayer's help
czegledy: I m reading bits and pieces here - and enjoy the wonderful world of Guy, how about the
blabla: this is also very important to setup and work out the stuff onsite
czegledy: installation process in generl in Brussels?
blabla: when will guy and nina be back in brussels?
xgz: sabota ana means ana on saturday?
blabla: this is important for us
blabla: hello, guy! nina!
blabla: who will physically help to set up
xgz: depends on dusan's bus
czegledy: Hi blabla - can you plese tell me your name?
lauredeselys: i will
blabla: well this bus has to be arranged that it's arriving on sunday
xgz: set it up now and then can play
gen_lee: hey nina, how difficult can that be
blabla: annemie blabla
gen_lee: who talks the most, hihi
xgz: so you got a glass and a vacuum tube and just give it a try
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xgz: film it in a small movie then I know what to expect
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krikri: now blabla is krikri
strihaj__: i dont know that much about this coming there: i dont knwo the exact date, and also from the small pieces u write : : here i dont know what is master plan, what u plan to do
krikri: if we knew it : )
xgz: ah come on!
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xgz: we want to setup a physical installation
xgz: that changes the virtual world
xgz: and gets changed by the changes in the virtual world
xgz: so it creates another reality
strihaj__: aha, ok, i follow.
xgz: that is why we need algorithms
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xgz: since otherwise we just end up in analogity
strihaj__: and the installation will consist of what: glasses and magic powders?: ]
illFiger: computers
grrrrr: can you bring them?
xgz: no a vacuum water can boil when you touch it with your hand
grrrrr: magic powders!
xgz: or with a small heat source
xgz: yes powders in tl light
xgz: ok going for a glass of non-boiling water
xgz: so please document a little in the chat what is happening in the conversation
illFiger: lets use a glass of sparkling water
xgz: dobra voda
grrrrr: guy, how big/small do you see the installation?
strihaj__: i can bring old hardware and play with it...flood it with soem substances, quantities depending on the result of : : altgoritms...and when the hw is flooded, it might do different sound, like in circuit bending...and the resulting sound : : can go back to computer and be processed by altgoritms....
xgz: can be the ocean if we can do it vacuum but go for a nice bottle shape in mikro size
xgz: and give people a space to walk to it
grrrrr: yes
xgz: and blow up the process in the surrounding projection
xgz: no?
grrrrr: no flat sc reens?
xgz: we got space and glass and algorithms
xgz: too flat too screen
grrrrr: well, summary:
xgz: since we need light to heat up the thing
grrrrr: everything will set up at the earliest on monday
xgz: we can provide it from the images being projected?
grrrrr: is this safe enough to play?
xgz: now monday? cool
xgz: oh then put a cam on it and stream it
xgz: and hey laure do you have more signs?
grrrrr: we have to go to presentation now, and we all we be back at 4pm
cirenok: see U
grrrrr: in the meantime, we continue at the MAP
lauredeselys: i should have some good new ones for tonight- at the latest tomorrow
xgz: oh nice yipppeee
czegledy: Hi, I came over from the other end of town to talk to you but make no sense of what is going on
xgz: and I can have the code running by monday-tuesday
xgz: will send small chunks to you laure for testing with it
grrrrr: ok, and i'll try out my sensors but have a little problem with my soundcard
czegledy: is it possible to get a reply?
illFiger: but we meet again at 16.00
lauredeselys: oky
xgz: hey gert give a little overview to nina about what has been talked about
xgz: please
grrrrr: you can do it also?
grrrrr: we go now!
illFiger: do we all meet again at 16.00 to continue?
grrrrr: meet you all again at 4pm
czegledy: I am unable to be here at 16
lauredeselys: see you all in an hour then
illFiger: ok
illFiger: nina
illFiger: i will post an overview on the transmutation list
xgz: well missing out on what has been said among them but basically are we going for the glass cooking vacuum : : water?
xgz: please answer
illFiger: will u be back at 4
illFiger: lets talk about it more later no
illFiger: i guess the glass could be definately part of it
illFiger: but would like to start with a networked computer setup
czegledy: strange meeting - wish I would be able to find out
czegledy: whats going on, but.....
xgz: hey okno in general: why do you mobilise people when you all run before anything is decided? that is no chat... no : : one is commenting on the discussion and no one understands what the agenda is for now... please pay more : : attention
grrrrr: we said 2pm and 4 pm
grrrrr: in the meantime we continue to work
grrrrr: think this will work better than spending all our time on the chat and saying nothing
grrrrr: not nothing, but confused stuff
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grrrrr: so we try to be more clear when we get back
czegledy: I give up
illFiger: my idea, i.e. waht i just explained here locally
illFiger: i'r rather take about alchemy in a metaphorical way using computers
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gen_lee: network was down
czegledy: I just sent a frustrated note to Annemie and Gert
gen_lee: that is me
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czegledy: because I was hoping we will use this meeting opportunity
emptywords: ahh nina, we had a netbreakdown!
emptywords: hope you received all info i've send you on the roundtables?
emptywords: nina, are you still there?
czegledy: no, I haven't received - who is emptywords?
emptywords: nina, it's me, annemie
xgz: haven't received it either
emptywords: internet failed and we had to restart
emptywords: everything's gone
emptywords: guy, can you save this chat?
emptywords: so nina, i'll summarize
emptywords: 1. everybody confirmed for the roundtables
czegledy: yes, thank you I know about the confirmtions
emptywords: 2. darko, peter beyls, andre• smirnov, ryszard, erika
czegledy: great I did not know about andrei
emptywords: ok. than now we need an abstract for the communication
emptywords: we will work on it next week
emptywords: has to go to the printer end of next week
czegledy: I am going to circulate a note to my panel to discuss topics etc
emptywords: fine!
czegledy: will do it this weekend
emptywords: i'll email you later topics proposed by peter beyls and andrei
czegledy: thanks
emptywords: than you can sort it out what you like in it and discuss it with them
czegledy: ok
emptywords: than we need also a description of the transmutation project : )
emptywords: how far do we go in that?
emptywords: we can use the abstract you made in the beginning
emptywords: and leave the rest open...
czegledy: it would be important to know how are the participants doing
czegledy: this and some notes from the workshop will help to finalize the text
emptywords: well, they all are from very good will, but things are a little bit confused
emptywords: but i think we'll get out of it, slowly things become more clear
czegledy: can you please find out who is confused
emptywords: gert will give an overview later today
czegledy: if feel posting everything on the mail list might be difficult for some people
emptywords: confused is maybe a bad description
emptywords: it'm more that things are not really clear yet
czegledy: if there is a problem or difficulty mybe this canbe discussed on one to one bases what doo you think?
emptywords: how exactly [in what way] ppl will interact whith the things they are doing
czegledy: apart from Eric, I have not noticed any input from any of the others
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emptywords: i think we will have to set clear the physical setup of the installation: how it will be there in the space, the bases and : : than it will become easier for ppl
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emptywords: nina, we have to go now to this presentation in the MAP space
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emptywords: it's in a way linked to what we are doing
czegledy: yes that is one way to do it. another approach is to ask from each of them to post where they are
czegledy: we can continue by e-mail - thanks for this latest annemie
emptywords: so i think it's good for people to get a better idea
czegledy: ok i will post today
emptywords: we keep you informed!
czegledy: thanks and I post to the list - bye bye
emptywords: we do a round up in an hour.
xgz: cu there
czegledy: do you want me to come back in an hour to my friend?
emptywords: ok.
czegledy: please let me know now
emptywords: you can come back if you want, otherwise we send everything on the mailinglist
czegledy: if we are able to discuss things, I am happy to come back
xgz: think it would be good nina that you can participate, we can structure it more so it won't lat longer than an hour is : : that ok?
czegledy: but if it is a playchat only, I better go home and work
emptywords: i think better on the mailinglist for now, and a next chat we should be more organized and further into the : : development
czegledy: while I am on the road, it is difficult for me to access
xgz: I sent an agenda on the list, so if people stick to answering these questions it would be better
czegledy: it would be good if we can do something either a bit later today
czegledy: otherwise this week during the day I can have access in the Ludwig Museum
emptywords: ok. we meet again at 4pm. at 5 i have to leave anyway.
czegledy: I am suggesting these things because I am very anxious about the exhibit
gen_lee: lets talk again at 4
czegledy: ok
xgz: well that is why it would be good to decide today onthe physical setup and stick to that and get to know who is doing : : what in it and by when etc
gen_lee: and keep to the structure guy posted on the list
xgz: ok ok
gen_lee: everybody can post one by one, if you like
gen_lee: like we went around the table during the workshop
czegledy: Guy can you send me the structure you posted, I did not get it
xgz: ah one second (oops you are on the list are you? hope nothing is wrong)
xgz: hi maybe it is good to briefly give insight into the following things:
xgz: 1. installation transmutation
xgz: what is the real setup: principles with the glass and physical changes
xgz: what is the virtual setup: principles with the computers and algorithms
xgz: who is going to do what, please specify briefly each one of you ...
xgz: 2. timings for working on it
xgz: we have to indicate a time schedule for the assemblage of the real thing
xgz: we have to indicate a time schedule for the algorithmic implementation and tests
xgz: we have to indicate a time schedule for the feedback virtual-real-virtual and the projections etc...
xgz: 3. conference: any news from who...
xgz: confirmations
emptywords: well guy,nina, it's also both your project
xgz: changes and replacements
xgz: anything new?
emptywords: we try to do the best
xgz: 4. report on other setups:
xgz: se30s
xgz: tics
xgz: performances etc...
xgz: is that it? anything else...
emptywords: i can't fix people to their chair if they don't want to
xgz: got it hihi
xgz: we do too
xgz: always do
xgz: wheelchairs next time?
emptywords: : )
emptywords: gert and i are still here
emptywords: all the others are gone
emptywords: but the Q-list is a good starter
emptywords: everybody can answer for him/herself
emptywords: and than we know where we are
czegledy: it is 3.30 now - are we meetinmg then at 4?
emptywords: ok!
emptywords: gert and i try to see clearer in the meantime
czegledy: ok I disconnect now
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xgz: I will keep on sitting here _ 25 degrees outside so inside is better
gen_lee: sissie
gen_lee: ar eyou saying it is to hot?
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czegledy: Hello is anybody on yet?
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gen_lee: hey nina
gen_lee: shit,
gen_lee: gone again
gen_lee: everybody is back here
gen_lee: hopla
lauredeselys__: back
emptywords: hi all.
gen_lee: •À
emptywords: we were thinking of connection outside to inside
xgz: he me back too - was getting hungry and made sweet potatoes with herbs in the oven and had to open a bottle of : : white wine that was standing here for the fish dish going to do tomorrow because some theatre group from prague : : is coming and they are doing a theatre play on barb, nino and me for multiplace festival... in the appartment! haha _ : : but let's get back to business on this nice presummer day
emptywords: connecting rooftop to installation
emptywords: film the traject of the sun
emptywords: and at night the moon
xgz: pink flyod?
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emptywords: and connecting also to the antenna node reseau citoyen put already on the rooftop
xgz: pink floyd?
czegledy: Hello, I have tried earlier, but could not find anybody yet
emptywords: come on! instead off drinking wine, let's go through it now
emptywords: we don't have time to loose
xgz: ok 1.
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emptywords: and aniway, we don't have wine here--- no money for it
xgz: cuco brought it
gen_lee: and i will input what is being said here into the chat
xgz: and a book about the destruction of the sinagogue in 63 for the ufo bridge
gen_lee: and the other way if there is confusion
xgz: 1.
xgz: cool
czegledy: 1. installation transmutation
czegledy: what is the real setup: principles with the glass and physical changes
gen_lee: idea n1 : what about tracking the movement of the sun and moon and using taht as an input
xgz: nina do you have the stream too or only the caht
czegledy: I have only the chat
xgz: ok then make sure gert you give some chunks from time to time
gen_lee: here right now discussing the possibilty to use the antenna on the rooftop as an input for the installation
xgz: like that _ like building a tesla system
gen_lee: sa as for the physical input
xgz: yes
gen_lee: we are discussing different possibilities
gen_lee: not neccesarily glass-water-boiling
xgz: ok
xgz: what is useful from the antenna?
czegledy: which options are cxonsidered for the antenna input?
gen_lee: we will still try the boiling installation
gen_lee: as one input
xgz: hihi nina same thinking
xgz: what do you nean gert
xgz: so audio stream or data - packages
emptywords: visualising the citynetwork
emptywords: activity
xgz: hey gnd() did these network visualisers
czegledy: is the boling connected to the antenna input? how?
xgz: and is invited anyway or a concert
gen_lee: possibly
emptywords: guy, when are all you ppl arriving?
emptywords: this is important if we talk about gnd and ana and...
xgz: one question still: is there a working system with the vacuum low energy input? and if so we can operate projections : : changing temp inside the flask?
gen_lee: lets leave this for later
gen_lee: wait a minute
gen_lee: let me say one thing about the waterboiling
gen_lee: which is important
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xgz: so then there would be the connection antenna/reseau - light/energy - temp water
gen_lee: this will not be so easy, which doesn't mean we don't have to try
xgz: and we can figure out how to feed it in later into the algorithms - antenna/packages
gen_lee: 1.even if you get the vacuum, to get a small amount of water boiling with the heat of your hands or a external : : lightsource
gen_lee: it will take some time
czegledy: can Eric give us an overall summary on the boiling/ antenna loop?
gen_lee: 2.once the water is boiling-it will also stop boiling
gen_lee: and to repeat this proces you will need to add new water, make a new vacuum etc
gen_lee: so, a complicated process
xgz: ok too complicated and .. instabile?
xgz: but what about air? does air heat easier?
xgz: air flows are easy to track? from one caraffe to another flask
emptywords: how`? as smoke?
xgz: remember the image of the communicating glass vessels?
xgz: ok change a camera view now? who else is there...
xgz: I see smoke in the camera
gen_lee: ok
xgz: smile eric
gen_lee: by next week eric and i do the experiment
emptywords: i like the idea of connecting the antenna, and make this hardware network part of the transmutationinstallation
gen_lee: see how we can use it
xgz: ok cool __
gen_lee: if it is to complex, yes or no
xgz: I like it too
xgz: tehn it becomes really media alchemy
emptywords: and what about the sun and the moon?
emptywords: still in?
xgz: but nice also would be to see the activity of the antenna 'reflected' into the glass and water etc
emptywords: guy, what image exactly you're talking off?
xgz: want to play a version of 'interstellar overdrive' then _ (sun and moon)
xgz: what did someone say in a distance?
gen_lee: we where discussing the possibility to track the sun
xgz: seeing the sun can be dangerous -- plateau the inventor of movie apparatus in ghent blinded himself this way
gen_lee: setup as folowed
gen_lee: you film the sky using a 360 lens
gen_lee: try to isolate the sun and track its mouvement
gen_lee: i know
gen_lee: so does this work with special filters
gen_lee: also
gen_lee: how to do this when things get clowded
xgz: why would I track the sun we know its speed in advance and I suppose you don't go with iranian experiments etc?
gen_lee: why would i boil water, if i can calculate it boiling point in a webinterface
xgz: so rather do a version of "emily plays" and do clouds?
xgz: because the moments are different in time not for the sun but the environment acts on the water and not hte pos and : : speed of the sun whatever we want
gen_lee: i spy with my little eye something with an S.
xgz: anyway _ sex?
xgz: super?
xgz: silly?
xgz: savant/
emptywords: come on, constructive!
xgz: sarcastic?
gen_lee: ok
gen_lee: it is difficult to feedback our stuff to the sun, hihi
xgz: what is that thing with an s. how many letters?
gen_lee: 3
emptywords: guy, can you give more explanation on tesla setup?
xgz: suk
xgz: no I mean I like the idea of
emptywords: what? just connecting the antenna?
xgz: getting data from antenna - feed it into algorithms and physical setup and let it there 'boil' a little and send some : : meaningful alteration through the antenna
emptywords: come up with some idea we can do with the antenna
xgz: back in
xgz: stream
xgz: like we said
xgz: and that is enough for what I inference from it finally
emptywords: so create feedbackloop
emptywords: take antenna data
emptywords: play with it
emptywords: transform through some algorithms and send it back?
emptywords: out in the world
xgz: want to use the antenna within its normal context for communication of course
xgz: so the network is the network
xgz: but can enact upon the installation in 2 ways
xgz: real physics
xgz: and imagined physics
xgz: hey just wire it all up darlings
xgz: and do your glass-water tests and see how it reacts
gen_lee: talking a bit with eric now about how and wat to mesure
xgz: and tell us asap
xgz: life evolving of course
emptywords: we are examinating how and whichantennadata we can use
gen_lee: ok
gen_lee: round up
gen_lee: water experiment + antenna + sun
emptywords: antenna from reseau or another antenna we make ourselves
emptywords: as the one we used for art's birthdayparty
emptywords: aniway, it's nice to connect outside to inside and send it out again
emptywords: for next week we'll come up with something
xgz: ah come on: just don't make it tooo complicated, just set it up and make the data available and then we look at it and : : see how we can link and connect, and finally how to make more intelligent things, but first set up everything: : : computer, glass, antenna .. and sun! hihi
emptywords: well we have allready 2 antenna's
gen_lee: let's experiment
lauredeselys__: uv filters should work
emptywords: the reseau one is there and the selfmade one is here too
gen_lee: is that more or less clear to everybody?
gen_lee: so we can move on to the next toppic
xgz: yes just mailed some hacks to prague student...
xgz: wait looking for it, the person hacked his phone camera - another network?
gen_lee: hey nina
gen_lee: are you still there
czegledy: I am here and keep reading your notes
gen_lee: ok
gen_lee: have you got more questions
emptywords: summary:
xgz: http: //homepage.ntlworld.com/geoff.johnson2/IR/
xgz: antenna
emptywords: summary:
gen_lee: as i said : experiments to do for next weekend water-antenna-sun
xgz: glass and vacuum
xgz: algorithms
gen_lee: looking into the possibilities, difficulties, etc...
gen_lee: that has to be done by next week
czegledy: so far you have discussed the antenna experiment - are we having a discussion on the other nodes of the : : installation?
xgz: going to hook up with laure (and others if interested) when i finish the patches... monday-tuesday...
xgz: others?
gen_lee: everything should be connected to this
rebekka: i put up some info on site
emptywords: we try to work out first general setup
rebekka: reflections on visuals
emptywords: and onlyu than fill in the rest
emptywords: let's get a basic system working first
emptywords: otherwise all rest is useless
emptywords: you can make patches only if we know what to do with the system
xgz: or basic units working - we have to connect
czegledy: yes - I was hoping we establish a draft for the basic system
emptywords: well, to me [and some others here] the basic system we'll try out for now is:
czegledy: and have input re the individual nodes from the participants
emptywords: antenna+water+sun
xgz: no way I can make patches anyway - never heard of 'abstractions'? sure I know what to expect
gen_lee: talking her e a bit about the tecs
emptywords: and connect all this to the computers is easy
gen_lee: both for water and sun setup etc
xgz: working further on convolution and genetic algorithms and alife I guess _ still got some things to do
czegledy: I must be missing something - did we loose the five nodes?
xgz: so i can patch it all already up
xgz: rest is calibration
xgz: the structure is clear
xgz: it HAS to work
xgz: sure I understand
emptywords: nina, i don't think we are talking on 5 nodes animore
xgz: the beginning is the end
emptywords: it's all 1 whole
xgz: transformation of data will always be transformation of data
xgz: you provide and we are only the mutagen
czegledy: when did you decide to change everything to this set up?
emptywords: once we have the whole, it's easy to make more nodes
xgz: ok annemie only if you create on the physical system 1 input and 1 output
xgz: then we can all work parallel
xgz: don't build closed systems
emptywords: we are as open as we can!
emptywords: just try to make something working
gen_lee: all things should be connected to this antenna thing
emptywords: and try to give some usefull input
gen_lee: dusans can be conencted
gen_lee: junior
gen_lee: laure
gen_lee: using max
gen_lee: this can not be to difficult
xgz: sure but only over software, so working on and waiting how to paste it in between
lauredeselys__: looks fine to me
xgz: hey leaving now have to take the free tesco bus have a meeting for a soci0cult project now and reporting there to : : dusan - http: //www.burundi.sk/monoskop/index.php/FREE_LOST_SPACE
czegledy: it would be great to receive some answers to questions
emptywords: we will be here to build the physics?
emptywords: this is the basis
lauredeselys__: bye guy waiting for your patches
xgz: yes got some things working and some not and have to finallize combinations
xgz: but don't worry will be ready next week, before any physical setup is ready
czegledy: annemie, when I left Brussels we had a draft of a plan - this has been changed
gen_lee: nina, shoot
gen_lee: ok
gen_lee: yes and no
czegledy: can you please explain about the change - it has not been posted on the list
emptywords: nina, we are just trying to make it workable in an interesting way
czegledy: consequently I had no idea what you are talking about
czegledy: I am all for an interesting solution
gen_lee: we try to see the installation as a whole
gen_lee: with the antenna-water-setup as a pyhisical backbone
gen_lee: all other things, as in understand, connect on a more virtual level
gen_lee: expept maybe for rasa
xgz: make a drawing with interesting relations between the physucal units
xgz: and the rest has to build in between
rebekka: i register rasas cooking which makes her digitally available too
xgz: obnoxiously I mean, and unruly
gen_lee: here they are also thinking about capturing sound from planets
gen_lee: or solarsystem
xgz: that is fake I think
czegledy: we could have planned it as a whole based on the bain_marie model
xgz: never heard a planet, since there is no sound in space, and
xgz: pythagoras was wrong! (that is why they killed him crossing a corn field)
emptywords: guy, nina, we are really working on something interesting, so please!
xgz: oh but bain marie is still in! just that it gets more physical
emptywords: we don't forget former agreements, just building further upon them
xgz: I would keep bain marie in _ modern version
xgz: heating a pot within a pot is a nice idea, translation, transduction and transmutation
xgz: and if it becomes vacuum and your hand can do this -- cool
czegledy: sorry Annemie, I don't see the connection, but if you point it out it would be great
emptywords: the planets, antenna's it's all alchemy
emptywords: modern alchemy
emptywords: vibes in space
xgz: no no don't exaggerate annemie
xgz: hey bye running now... set it up and tell me when what works or not and I will do the same about the code _ have a : : drink or smoke pot in a pot hihi
xgz: bye
gen_lee: nina,
xgz: iss
xgz: k
gen_lee: explain a bit your last question
xgz: ss
xgz: i
czegledy: I will have to go soon, will appreciate a description as this was
xgz: k
czegledy: very confusing
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emptywords: nina, what connection you don't see?
emptywords: is it about the physical link from antenna towards bain marie?
emptywords: or something else?
czegledy: we drafted a plan - this has been changed, which would be ok if
emptywords: the antenna and soundcapturing devices can represent certain planets as in astronomy and used in alchemy
czegledy: this would have been discussed in a way that one could contribute to it
emptywords: yes, i think we should find a more appropriate way to discuss
emptywords: chat is too confusing
czegledy: the pysical setup was envisioned as a flow between five nodes
rebekka: hello nina
czegledy: now there is a loop with the antenna which is all great but where is
rebekka: physical setup stays the same more or less
rebekka: we are thinking on this antenna thing
rebekka: that could take the shape of what we used to call a node
czegledy: the connection to the previous discussions or is this approach brand new?
rebekka: the antenna will consist out of a feed in of inr
rebekka: we came up with the idea of the antenna
rebekka: this gives us a new take on the nodes..
rebekka: so not so new in the end
rebekka: now actually the antenna gives us a new take
rebekka: on letting info
rebekka: flow through the nodes
rebekka: ok?
czegledy: I find the antenna idea great - do not see the connection easily with the nodes
czegledy: perhaps somebody can draw it with an explanation
gen_lee: the connection will be technical
gen_lee: so for instance
gen_lee: we pick up a signal from the antenna
gen_lee: input it into the computer
gen_lee: it can change the work of laure with the symbols
gen_lee: but it can also generate data for junior to work with
rebekka: so the nodes get a bit in the background b
rebekka: because we consider the info of one node info of second post etc
czegledy: thanks, I understand it better
rebekka: great: )
gen_lee: cool
czegledy: still it will be important to draw the connections how it will look physically
gen_lee: yeah,
czegledy: because this idea, I mean to gain data from an antenna is not very new
gen_lee: physically it will not be a very big thing
gen_lee: so wwe have to think of a way to visually blow it up
rebekka: but the shape the installation will take is only imp in
gen_lee: the antenna is on the roof
rebekka: a second step
gen_lee: the water boiling will be a small pot
czegledy: the physical manifestation of the real/virtual alchemy still remains to be important
gen_lee: but by filming, documenting we can blow up and visualize the whole process and it's connections
czegledy: considering all the talent and participation it should be more than a small pot
rebekka: yes but like we stated the shape is
gen_lee: : -)
rebekka: determined by content
czegledy: we should have some objects not only blown up images
czegledy: hi is anybody still here?
rebekka: ok lts get back to work
rebekka: shall we meet next week not saturday but monday after?
czegledy: Sorry, I will be travelling next weekend - could try monday after, but can
czegledy: not confirm it yet
czegledy: going now
rebekka: ok correspondence on mail
gen_lee: ok i have to leave to now
czegledy: bye bye
rebekka: byebye everone
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gen_lee: let's conitinue on the mailinglist



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